Startup Communities: Creating A Great Entrepreneurial Ecosystem In Your City

I’m deep into writing my latest book. For now, the title is “Startup Communities: Creating A Great Entrepreneurial Ecosystem In Your City.” I’m open to different titles – if you’ve got ideas just put them in the comments.

Following is the current table of contents. It’s still pretty dynamic as I’m adding stuff while I’m writing. I’ve also got a bunch of guest sections coming from all over the US (I’ve got a dozen so far) so as they come in, I’m trying to fit them in (which often generates a new, or different section). If you are a leader in your entrepreneurial community and have something you want to add, email me 500 – 1000 words.

I’m looking for feedback on this table of contents. If anything jumps out at you as wrong, unclear, in the wrong place, or missing, please leave me your thoughts in the comments.

My current goal is to have a first draft ready for circulation finished by 12/31/11. I plan to have the book published and available by 2/29/12. I’m self-publishing this one so there will be no delay in getting it out. I also plan to price it low so it has the potential for broad distribution.

Comments of any sort are welcome and encouraged! The table of contents, as of today, follows.


The Boulder Entrepreneurial Community

  • Boulder As A Laboratory
  • Before the Internet (1970 to 1994)
  • Pre Internet Bubble (1995 – 2000)
  • The Internet Bubble (2001 – 2002)
  • The Beginning of the Next Wave (2003 – 2011)

Principals of a Sustainable Entrepreneurial Community

  • Led By Entrepreneurs
  • Have A 20 Year Commitment
  • Welcome Everyone Into The Entrepreneurial Community
  • Engage The Entire Entrepreneurial Stack

Leaders vs. Feeders

  • What’s A Leader?
  • What’s A Feeder?
  • Entrepreneurs
  • Mentors
  • Government
  • University
  • Investors
  • Service Providers
  • The Importance of Both Leaders and Feeders

Keys of Leadership Culture

  • Inclusive
  • Mentor Driven
  • Non Zero Sum Game
  • Porous Boundaries

The Power of Accelerators

  • The Story of TechStars in Boulder
  • TechStars Impact on Boston
  • TechStars Impact on New York
  • How Accelerators Are Different Than Incubators
  • Why Incubators Don’t Work

Classical Problems

  • Patriarch Syndrome
  • Complaining About Capital
  • Reliance on Government
  • Short Term Commitment
  • Bias Against Newcomers
  • Feeder Control
  • Artificial Geographic Borders
  • Risk Aversion
  • Fear of Failure
  • Zero Sum Game

A Different Example of University Involvement

  • Silicon Flatirons
  • The Components of CU Boulder
  • Why They Don’t Work In Isolation
  • Why The Community Matters Most
  • The Real Value – Fresh Blood Into The System

Entrepreneurs vs. Government

  • Bottom Up vs. Top Down
  • Micro vs. Macro
  • Action vs. Policy
  • Impact vs. Control
  • Self Awareness

Boulder’s Great, But What Are It’s Weaknesses?

  • Parallel Universes
  • Integration With The Rest of Colorado
  • Lack of Diversity
  • Space

Community Power

  • Give Before You Get
  • The Power of Apprenticeship
  • Everyone Is A Mentor
  • Embrace Weirdness
  • Be Open To Any Idea
  • Be Honest

Myths About Entrepreneurial Communities

  • We Need To Be Like Silicon Valley
  • Venture Capital Matters
  • Angel Investors Must Be Organized

How To Get Started

  • Do or Do Not, There Is No Try
  • Resources
  • “I’m self-publishing this one so there will be no delay in getting it out. I also plan to price it low so it has the potential for broad distribution.”

    A key lesson I also took away from Professor Altucher.

  • Looking forward to the book, Brad. I’m in the Valley but interested in helping grow the startup community in my hometown of Pittsburgh. Can’t wait to read your advice.

  • re: “boulder as lab” and “before the internet” sections. I’d go fairly deep here… it’s important. the Feds, IBM, and the University invested serious capital early on and it planted some critical seeds. it showed ppl what “big money” looked like. it showed ppl what technology looked like (albeit hardware).

    • I was here in ’83 when the hardware cos. were in full force – the golden triangle between Boulder, Longmont + Ft Collins was real + populated by at least a dozen pretty big manufacturers.

      NCR seemed unstoppable.  Then it was HP + the storage guys.  Bit by bit, they faded, moved away or simply shut down.  So I think the hardware influence had been muted, at least locally, by ’96 when Brad arrived; certainly by ’99 when the software cos. were emerging (and exiting, too, like Service Metrics).

      There may be a connection, i.e. a common thread here.  I just don’t know what it is.

    • Ball Aerospace and Storagetek should have mentions too in the Boulder before the internet section.

  • We like the concept of a startup ecosystem with a core startup community
    lead by entrepreneurs that can be supported by institutions and
    organizations. Too many times you see a top down approach that ends up
    becoming a build it and they will come situation. The only way this
    partnership can work is when the entrepreneur lead community organically
    grows large enough that it’s ready for additional resources.

    Right now Las Vegas is a fantastic example of an organically grown startup
    community that’s ready for additional resources from the ecosystem.
    Individuals from organizations are now getting involved. If they can
    continue to work together, and not start kingdom building, it’ll be the
    example we study in years to come.

  • This is exactly the book I have been waiting for. I would love to see something on grassroots movements, meaning tech meet-ups, peer support groups, etc. I recently joined the economic development world as a consultant in a small business development center (SBDC). In talking with some of our local economic development folks, they love to complain about the lack of entrepreneurs or entrepreneurial resources, but do very little about fixing the problem.  At the same time, I am also part of the Lehigh Valley Tech meet-up and we are pushing and developing our group into what could become an accelerator, or incubator, or something along those lines. It’s a grassroots movement – entrepreneurs helping entrepreneurs because we’re tired of waiting for the government supported resources to wake up and join the 21st Century.

    I’m sure that there is a place in your book for this type of discussion and perhaps it’s already got a place, but I thought that it would good to ask for it anyway and not assume the obvious.

    I can’t wait to get to read this when it’s finally released! Good luck in getting it finished!

    • Yup – I’ll definitely have stuff like this in there.

  • Anonymous

    Hard to tell from an outline your angle when you say Entrepreneurs vs Government, but I’d like something more like you have for Universities: a different example of government involvement. I don’t think it’s an us vs them. The government provided most of the early funding for the internet, GPS and biotech, certainly contributing to entrepreneurial activity. Silicon Valley got off the ground primarily because of defense spending in the area. What role should government play? What are some good (and bad) examples of government involvement? I’m not suggesting reliance on government, but when should government get out of the way and when should it help?

    • Yup – I’ll try to cover that. Your examples are around funding for fundamental R&D (good). The problem, especially with state and local government is that they try to co-opt the leadership of the entrepreneurial community, which is stupid and often toxic. They are a “feeder”, not a “leader”, and can be really helpful, unless they insist on being a leader.

  • Randy

    What about media role?

    • Derek Scruggs

      +1. In addition to traditional media, perhaps talk about how easy/useful it is to set a tone via your blog. Think of how unknown David Ccohen was even locally until he started blogging about local startups.

      • This will be in the leadership section.

  • Looking forward.. all the best!

  • This looks very interesting and I look forward to reading it.

    I’ve had many conversations with people in our nascent tech scene regarding Boulder and TechStars. I feel like this will be a much more concrete resource to point to in those conversations.

    If you need an additional manuscript reviewer, please let me know, I’d be happy to provide feedback.

    Just one question, though: where’s the pre-order link? 😉

    • No pre-order link – I don’t want to bother until it’s within a month or so of publication.

  • very interesting!

    Under ‘Classical Problems’ …maybe a chapter about chasing deals wth big corporations ..Reliance on Big Corporations with large Corps in the neighborhood ..something along those lines?

    • Good suggestion – thx. This can be a huge help or a huge hinderance!

  • Keith P.

    Nice. Very timely. Looking to help get community going in Maui. 🙂 

  • Wow… Thanks.. I’m at the first time on your blog! And I like it! Thanks for sharing info. Keep up the good work.

  • Hey Brad, is that just about US?

    • No – my hope is that it has worldwide appeal and relevance.

      • Awesome! I’ll watch you then. I think I have a lot to say about creating startup ecosystem in our country (Czech Republic), would be great to share experience

  • Biotech entrepreneur

    I believe many of the ideas should be applicable across industries e.g. biotech, cleantech. It would be great to have a section discussing this aspect as well.

  • Anonymous

    The “Myths About Entrepreneurial Communities” chapter is intriguing – I think it can reel people into the book and get them interested –  think about moving that chapter up, maybe after the “Boulder Entrepreneurial Community” chapter.

    • I’ve gotten some other suggestions to lead with the framework, rather than the story of Boulder. I’ll move this around.

  • I’ll buy it! (Customer confirmation 🙂 

    In the Classical Problems, I’ll dare to suggest adding some challenges in other countries, perhaps some like the ones Fred Wilson mentions in about his experience in latin america. Even if you don’t have a solution it will help others prepare for them.

  • Josh Rutstein

    A few years ago the NIC issued “Global Trends – 2025” and talked about how micro-NGOs will be the future of third world growth.  The same basic concept exists for US Growth except the source will not only be incubators, angels, and VCs but some new entity without all the overhead.  Figuring out how to do this at a grass-roots (not astroturf) level without all that required LP capital will be a huge boon to success.  Title idea = “Startup Communities: It takes a [Digital] Village”   – Hope to see you at Fido in Jan.

  • Thanks Brad, this is a very good outline. I like the way you have woven academic and gov’t influence into the classic problems section. All too often the local or state university system is the fall back plan for innovation and the real potential in the tech community gets shoved to the side. 

    In the mentor-driven section please point out what makes a good mentor program. I think it is important to note that having a group of bored service providers donate their time to advise start-ups is not the same as establishing a credible resource that will help people turn ideas into products. If I hear the phrase ” What we need is a local Shark Tank” from one more attorney or accountant I might just go postal.I feel it is worth pointing out how most economic development organizations (and local gov’ts) are organized and how their priorities often work against the start-up community. Some regions have evolved to a more open and inclusive model, but most are still stuck on the tops down, real estate driven model of business investment & expansion.

    Best of luck with the book.

    • Yup on what makes a great mentor – hugely critical.

  • “Integration With The Rest of Colorado”

    – Transportation in/out of Boulder, especially from south DEN metro, is ugly

    Idea: Serious campaign for commuter or lite rail

    – Parking in Boulder, tho recently better, has been difficult for years

    Idea: Improve transport into Boulder (above), reduce need for visitors to bring cars in

    – Boulder continues to have a ‘hippy’ image in parts of DEN, which is actually *very* conservative

    Idea: Media campaign that focuses on stuff beyond the Pearl Street Mall, the ‘tofu crowd’ etc.

    – Boulder is so different from the Western Slope, Eastern Plains + southeast fruit belt that it might as well be Pluto.  

    Idea:  No idea how to even begin to address this

    • Karen Bordner

      Love your comments but Transportation in and out of Boulder to Longmont is ugly too. I happen to live on the North side of Boulder and my best to avoid this mess. How about some light rail love for those who live in Longmont due to lower housing costs but work in Boulder? 

  • It’s going to be epic! Looking forward to reading it.

  • Shashi Jain

    I’m a local organizer of Portland Startup Weekend. I like the idea of this book very much.  Couple thoughts- Under leadership, will you be talking about celebrating risk taking? Too often, leadership quashes informed risk taking by covering up failures.  Also, will you be talking about the role of established industry in kickstarting the ecosystem? For example, Intel does investments/deals in the local Portland community and Google is working with Mercy Corps to kickstart ecosystems in the middle east.  The latter will provide some rich case study material, I think. How does one get access to your first draft? 🙂

    • Thanks for the comments. When I have a first draft ready I’ll put out a blog post asking for folks to read / comment.

      • that’s awesome – will be very cool to read a draft (I’ve never done that).

    • Hey Shashi – nice to see you up here – thanks for plugging portland 🙂

  • Kristen Bergman

    I hope that you will consider non-tech startups as part of the ecosystem as well. A majority of all firms created globally are home-spun, non-technology endeavors that employ fewer than 20 people, but they keep their jobs local.

    • They are definitely part of the ecosystem!

  • Anonymous

    Book Title : Silicon Valley: It’s Not A Place It’s A Mindset

    • Nah – I don’t want “Silicon Valley” anywhere near the title. That’s part of the problem – everyone is too focused on “let’s create something like Silicon Valley.” In my experience, that’s the path to unhappiness, not the path to a robust startup community.

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  • I like the lineup. Two chapters that POPPED OUT to me were “The Power of Accelerators”, especially the last to sections and “A Different Example of University Involvement”. 
    Another section  I’m really interested in reading is “The Power of Apprenticeship”.  I went through an incubator program in high school and found a great  deal of value in the mentors I had. Great stuff!

  • Karen Bordner

    Brad, love the book idea and can’t wait to read it. The Fort Collins ecosystem is getting very interesting, just made the NY Times today. Thanks to the work of CSU’s Engines and Energy Conversion Laboratory, Innosphere, the city of Fort Collins. Becoming the new Motor city!

    • My partner Jason Mendelson was just up in Fort Collins. He thought the CSU Engines and Energy Conservation Laboratory was awesome, but he was disappointed by the lack of enthusiasm from the existing Fort Collins entrepreneurs to “give back” and “give before they get” in trying to amplify their local entrepreneurial community. Hopefully we can help motivate some of this.

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  • Fpays

    I work for a local economic development agency in France, and find your table of contents very complete. The subject is very hot in the Paris area where we have a developper community particularly focused on game development. Our trade is very complicated particularly in big cities and is very competitive between cities, districts, regions, etc…

    • Cool – my hope is the book will be global in appeal.

  • James Senall

    Hi Brad

    Great outline.  “Why Incubators Don’t Work” is painting with a fairly broad brush though.  Many don’t, but a lot do.  Particularly for physical science or life science based startups which need more than 90 days to build their products and businesses.  One of the other advantages we see with incubators is the ‘community’ that develops, and peer to peer “intellectual collisions” which just don’t happen as much with 1-on1 or virtual mentoring programs.  Just food for thought…


    • Good point. I’ll try to be precise about “what about incubators” does work.

    • @google-b4e95522389dbe9f332d92eb4bf9730a:[email protected]:disqus  I still haven’t quite grokked the difference between incubators and accelerators. Does the Casey Allen answer in this quora thread sum it up correctly in your views?

      • No, I wouldn’t say the Casey Allen answer sums it up correctly – as is pointed out by others in that thread.  Bottom line is that yes, there are some places that call themselves “incubators” that are nothing more than real estate operations.  But a true incubator is really about ‘incubation’ – ie, the verb, not the noun, which means mentoring, accelerating, etc.  Case in point, we were a 2010 national best practice from NBIA for our Entrepreneur-in-Residence program – which is all about mentoring, making connections, etc.  We do that for companies whether they are in our buildings or not.  The building is secondary, but not insignificant.  The value of the interaction among the startups is high, and many of those interactions wouldn’t happen if they were all just working in their garages.  My 2 cents worth….

  • Dan Steininger

    I look forward to reading your book when it comes out. Put me on your list!

    I cofounded BizStarts Milwaukee to create an entrepreneurial environment by facilitating the starting of new companies in Southeast Wisconsin.

    Dan Steininger
      President of Biz Starts Milwaukee

  • Rick Lucash

    Brad – awesome and particularly timely in light of New York City’s program to bring in a major university to be its MIT/Stanford

    • Sounds like that’s going to be Cornell! Now let’s just hope they fix all their messed up, restrictive tech transfer stuff (so they’ll be more like Stanford) or else in 10 years no one will be happy.

  • Proposed title: “Start-upolis” or “Start-opolis”

    Looking forward to this one

  •  I know you’re a big supporter of female entrepreneurs Brad. Will your discussion on diversity include this aspect? I’d be curious what role you think this plays in building a strong entrepreneurial community. Would love to see examples of places where you think this sort of diversity has played a role in holding back or building a community.

    • Good suggestion. I’ll try to weave this in. I don’t have any empirical evidence but it underscores my strong theme of “be inclusive”

  • Mbaiada

    Here are a few thoughts you might consider.

    Ecosystem Behaviors and Motivations

    Fundamental assumptions

    influence motivations and drive behavior

      Incentives are the #1 rule of

      It is human nature to be motivated
    by self interest (i.e. Adam Smith) either financially or for social

      A good social entrepreneurship
    business model aligns self interest with social interest


      Raise the standard of living in a
    region by creating wealth for all people

      Drive job creation (primarily an
    economic development objective)

      Find and nurture viable start-ups
    while keeping an eye open for the next big company


      What are the
    right incentives and to whom?

    Below is a list of
    the players in the entrepreneurial ecosystem and their typical
    purpose, target clients and motivations.


    Stated Mission/ Purpose/Notes

    Target Clients





    Fix a problem

    Change the world

    Hit it big financially

    Management Teams


    Purpose, vision

    Hit it big financially

    Part of something


    Executive Pool



    Angel Investor

    Low risk

    Personal cash flow

    Hit it big financially

    Federal Government

    Difficult to work with

    No consistency

    Tax revenue

    Pubic safety

    Economic growth

    State Government

    No consistency

    Four year cycle

    Tax revenue

    Public safety

    Economic growth

    State EDA Agencies

    Drive job creation

    Budget from State

    Technology Parks

    Supportive business

    Start ups

    Rent revenue

    Business Incubators

    Supportive business

    Start ups

    Rent revenue

    State funding

    Business Associations

    Help grow the industry

    Create jobs

    Create wealth

    Facilitate Networking

    All players in ecosystem

    Membership revenue

    Event revenue



    Course revenue



    Venture Capitalists

    High salaries

    Generate large ROI

    Low risk

    Start up companies

    Hit it big

    Fairly secure high salaries

    Angel Investors

    No salaries

    Help entrepreneur

    Generate large ROI

    can be a hobby


    Hit it big

    Intellectual stimulation

    meet people

    Professional Advisors

    Provide service

    Minimal motivation to
    educate or provide knowledge transfer

    Start ups


    Angel Investors


    Looking for next big client

    Chamber of Commerce

    Help grow the local

    Facilitate networking

    Local business people

    Membership revenue

    Event revenue




    Rent Revenue

  • Mbaiada

    The formatting of my previous comment did not hold.  I can e-mail you the file if you would like.  Mel

  • Ritter1947

    Looks like a great start.  Lots of great comments and thoughts.  I am definitely in favor of the “big picture” up front and then laying out the pieces.  I can’t wait to see some of the pieces.  The title is a little overwhelming.  I am a firm believer that you can build the ecosystem as you suggest and it is not limited to a “city”.  I am not sure artificial political boundaries have anything to do with it.  I think is more about an economic region.  Maybe leave the city part off.

  • I would add only my personal bias that numbers and quantitative analysis skills need to be “baked in”, not tacked on as an afterthought. I see an awful lot of wishful thinking, especially overestimating revenues and growth rates and underestimating costs. There’s a place for passion, of course, but not for delusion.

  • You always say that trying to be like Sillicon Valley is not the best idea, I imagine that different communities have leveraged different strengths, and some strengths are a must. I think that some examples of different communities using different strengths would help clarify this.

    Another point very related is the diversity in the source of money, maybe some communities have leveraged military contracts (customers), and other have benefited from their proximity to Wall Street (investors), and other have grown from contracts to big industrial companies in the community (customers), and maybe other had direct support from the goverment (investors), and maybe, just maybe, these will change with the applications stores (customers). Any hints on identifying and leveraging these would be helpful. I believe that having a big money flow in your community is A LOT better than having the best investors.

    I really like the table of content you posted 🙂 it covers the 5 themes I’m most interested:
    * People with the Mindset (LEADERS, role models, events, failure tolerance/serendipity)* Knowledge (MENTORS, Universities, events)* Money flowing (not just investors)* A lot of good will and trust (legislation included)
    * Strengths and Weakneses, Classic Problems and Opportunities

  • COinTO

    What a brilliant idea for your next book.
    This is certainly a very different challenge than much of the individual
    startup how-to books coming out. Being in Canada, it will be interesting
    to see how your principles can be applied in our entreprenurial environment.

    • Thanks – it is challenging because I want to make sure it’s short, functional, and prescriptive while being generalizable.

  • Celine Schmahl

    This is great! We’re trying to build a startup community in Barcelona/Spain and this stuff is very very relevant.
    Did you deliberately choose to focus on US examples? An international perspective might be interesting. Look at Berlin for example. You could mention specific cities or do an overall comparison. That could also fit in the “classical problems” part about risk aversion etc. I also think that positive role models and success stories are very important. Just look at the mediatization of entrepreneurship in the UK before other European countries. Now it’s also starting in Germany with mainstream media reporting about startups, entrepreneurs etc. Those are important elements on a national level, but also on a local level on a smaller scale.

    • My goal is to be general enough to cover the world. I’ll have a blog up as a companion with lots of international examples.

    • Hi Celine, we have a Leancamp planned for Barcelona in early 2012. Would be great to connect with you. If you’re interested, please get in touch!

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  • Anonymous

    I have been thinking about this post for a week and your follow up comment about not trying to replicate Silicon Valley elsewhere.

    I think your thoughts are spot on and my book title suggestion was off the mark.

    It would be interesting to read your thoughts on looking for talent off the beaten path. (the usual seems to be 20 something, white, male, Ivy league (ish) from banking, consulting or tech.

    I saw one commenter speak to the dirth of women in tech but my interest would be veterans.


    • We look for talent everywhere! I think that’s one of the useful things about being out of Silicon Valley.

      • Anonymous

        I am looking forward to reading about Classical Problems especially the sub heading Bias Against Newcomers.

        Thanks for the great posts as well as both of  your books over the last year!

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  • J Sandifer

    Looking very forward to the book. Taking your lead we are putting StartUpPortland (Maine) out there soon. We believe there is no better place to live and be an entrepreneur! One reason we are taking this into our own hands is that there seems to have been a mold created here is helping startups that is old school in it’s thinking. We are going to create a community that is about creating and supporting scalable innovation — so looking forward to you book!

  • Hey. Will be out on time. would love to read it.

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  • Brad – really looking forward to your book. In reviewing list of “classical problems”, I can’t help but think the MS mothership influence on Seattle is root of many of these in my homeland. Glad TS: Seattle is putting a change to that. 

    I think your book can be a watershed moment on the startup/entrepreneurial industry. Good luck with it. 

    • Thx – and yes – I think you have landed on a very important dynamic in Seattle.

  • After enjoying DMF, I’m excited for this addition. My only concern is that while the title implies the solution, the content suggests the ‘what you need to know first before you try’ (ie. identifying the problem). The actual skeleton required for each city may vary. Will there be more sections added to “How To Get Started”? I have idea’s on an approach that may work and would love to run it by you (Working w/ SW on this one). Also, @Msuster provided a recipe for Seattle that I think applies well to that section:

    • Yup – still thinking through the title. This is good feedback. Part of what I’m going to do is build out a bunch of content a the website that is geography specific.

      • I like the idea of creating a tangible web of communities around the country, all banded together. I think I know where you’re headed and I want to help. Working on a template that I think could make it easier for cities to create communities. Have a sec to chat this week? (check e-mail)

        • Yup – just emailed back and asked you to tell me more.

          • Excited to see the advice in action. Thanks for making it easy to get in touch. Anything else that can be done to help your book or test a hypothesis, let me know and I’d be happy to put it work.

  • Jonathan Sides

    Thank you for writing this book!  I’m anxiously awaiting its release.  You, Paul, Fred, and Mark are influencing far more than just your corners of the world.  For example, we are organizing the first Startup Summit in Birmingham, Alabama in April.  It is modeled after the Startup Bootcamp at MIT and YC’s Startup School.  We took a local twist on those events by highlighting founders of local high-growth companies.  We want the attendees to be able to identify with the speakers and think, “I can do this; I am going to do this!”  We are also planning on a lot of interaction between the founders on stage and the current or aspiring founders attending the event so hopefully some mentoring connections can form.  It is turning out to be a lot more work to get the event organized than we originally thought but I think it will be worth doing this each year going forward.  Finally, we are trying to write down the “recipe” for holding a local startup summit so we can publish it out similar to how Ignite has published its recipe.  We hope that other communities can then do their own startup summits.

    Thank you for your continued inspiration!

    • You are welcome. And thanks for Just Doing It!

  • Casey Rondinella

    “Boulder’s Great, But What Are It’s Weaknesses?” and “Classical problems”. These are powerful!!!! So many times readers just hear the positives. They get the same old sunshine everything will be great if you follow these steps. These two ch. will help generate more perspective on the subject. 

    • Cool – I’ll have plenty of critical stuff in there – it’s the most powerful to learn from.

  • It looks great.  I believe this book may well prove to be seminal.

    Particularly cool looking chapters

    Classical Problems – looks great

    University Involvement – should be interesting – curious to know if you will discuss (a) design schools as well as engineering and management, (b) curricula re startups.  Courses such as those run by Steve Blank at Stanford are rare.  Most univs other than Stanford have traditional business curricula.

    Myths – great

    looking forward to it

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