Unsettled and Disgusted

I arrived home from Australia yesterday. David Cohen and I spent the week there together to learn more about the various startup communities in Australia, to spend some time with the team that is leading Techstars Defence in Adelaide, and to watch an amazing Federer / Wawrinka semi-final.

I didn’t find out about Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees and Visas (the nicest thing I could come up with calling it) until arriving home Saturday mid-day and hearing about it from Amy. I was so jet-lagged that I took a shower and crawled into bed as I couldn’t process any new information. I was on a digital sabbath so I figured I’d read about it today.

When I woke up for dinner, Amy filled me in. I listened in a state of disbelief. At some intellectual level I knew this was coming, but I couldn’t believe that it was an executive order issued on Holocaust Remembrance Day. I’m glad the ACLU (which Amy and I strongly support) and the US judicial system is doing its job while the ban appears to be generating predictable chaos.

I’m always a little anxious when I travel internationally because of the rough experience I had getting back into the US from Canada four years ago. I know it’s an irrational emotional response on my part to be anxious since I’m US born, have a Global Entry card, and have plenty of resources. However, it always gives me a tiny flavor of how one might feel when entering the country, even without the recent executive order.

The executive orders the White House released on Friday disgust me. By directly targeting productive American residents, children, and the elderly in the name of national security, they are cynical, illogical, immoral, and extremely insensitive. Under the executive order dual citizens are at risk of being unable to return if they so much as take a vacation or visit their extended family. The whole thing is antithetical to the values my parents brought me up with, and what I think it means to be an American.

Friends, such as Fred Wilson (Make America Hate Again) and Albert Wenger (Misleading the World on Immigration) have already spoken out. Many tech companies are making statements and, like Lyft giving $1 million to the ACLU, are taking action. Chris Sacca leads and gives $150,000 to the ACLU. Techstars has sent a message to the Techstars Worldwide Network with an offer of help to anyone in our worldwide network who is impacted.

Whatever intentions the White House had, these new rules will not protect American security, will not make us safer, and will cost us, both morally and economically. I recognize the need for border protection but this order goes too far and does more harm than good. I stand with tech leaders, like Reed Hastings and Drew Houston, in calling these restrictions unAmerican and immoral.

It’s time for us – our American tech and startup community from places like Boulder, Boise, Chattanooga, Omaha, and Anchorage – to stand up and call for the White House to change course. This is not ok.


Also published on Medium.

  • Josh

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  • Steve Sherlock

    Well, I am an Australian entrepreneur living in the US who just return yesterday after an extended stay home visiting family (and avoiding the Iowa winter), and it dawned on me, as I breezed through US immigration on my E3 visa along with friendly banter, just how different the whole experience could have been if my skin was a little darker and I identified as a muslim. It’s gut wrenching really to think how it would feel to be pre-judged and rejected from a country simple because of appearances.

    • JLM

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      Actually, if your skin were a little darker and your were an Australian Muslim, nothing at all would have changed.

      Australia is a member of the VWP (visa waiver program) and with an ESTA (electronic system for travel authorization) authorization, you can come and go as you please.

      That is because our two countries have agreed to this based on the reliability of our respective passport control programs.

      The reason why the seven countries are not part of the VWP is because some of them don’t have functioning governments (Libya, Syria, Yemen) or are hotbeds of terror (Iran, Sudan, Somalia). One, Iran, is a case unto itself.

      No functioning government precludes the ability to be part of the 38 country VWP compact.

      JLM
      http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

      • Steve Sherlock

        I think you missed the point mate. Regardless of immigration – I think if my skin were darker and I was a muslim i would be treated differently by those who prejudge people on their appearance and/or religion.

        As for entering the US – you still have to get past the immigration officers if you have an ESTA – and if one is racially profiled I imagine that’s not a nice feeling. (btw esta doesn’t allow you to work in the US, E3 does)

        • JLM

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          I live in Texas (America’s Oz) so I can say this without offending you — once they know you’re from the Land Down Under, they’ve already made up their minds they don’t like you, Mate.

          It’s like owning a home in Colorado and being from Texas — yeah, one of those.

          Of course, the world is full of racists and haters but even the US Customs has to have a reason to do anything.

          The ICE is supposed to ask questions. That’s their function and, yes, they will ask more questions of someone from a targeted country or someone returning from such a country.

          I get asked different questions based on where I went in Old Mexico.

          An ESTA has nothing to do with your “E” or employment visa. It, ESTA, is a requirement of the VWP only.

          JLM
          http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

        • Missing the point is the life blood of intellectually dishonest right wingers like JLM.

    • Steve as an aussie who has held a greencard for a while it shocked me to my core that greencard holders and dual nationals could be banned from returning to the USA with the stroke of a pen.
      Its made me seriously consider its time for a return to Aust (or moving on to EU).

  • The Fed!!

  • We should be disgusted by this irrational gesture by Trump. This order isn’t a policy, it is a bone tossed to his ‘fans.’ It hasn’t been thought through in any meaningful sense of the phrase and these ghastly consequences are just the tip of the iceberg.

    BUT

    The much much much deeper problem is that this is in indication of the very nature of Trump’s character and decision making. This is damaging but there are so many potential dangers with much more serious potential outcomes. Trade wars, shooting wars e.g. South China Sea. We have absolutely no idea just how crazy the outcomes can be.

    Huffington Post recently had an article about how the talk on the hill is how senior Republicans are concerned about Trumps temperament and fitness for office. Frankly, I’m concerned about their fitness for office. The signs were there plain as day and to only recognize the scale of the problem now is way too late for competent leadership.

    But whatever belated misgivings the leadership may have, no egoistic tyrant acts alone. Trump has Conway and Spicer, for example, are throwing aside whatever moral code they ever had (if any) and happily endorsing lies and nonsense and happily setting out to de-legitimize the media.

    This is a truly ghastly deeply dangerous situation but telling the White House to change course is like telling a child who is having a tantrum to calm down.

    • JLM

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      I would think the media has far outrun its own shadow in de-legitimizing itself and can continue with no real assistance required.

      Not to worry, the media rights itself eventually and Trump is unlikely to get the nomination anyway, no?

      JLM
      http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

      • JLM !! Welcome back. Long time no see. 🙂

        Wrt the media – I am no uncritical fan, I assure you. The media has incredible privileges in our society, precisely so that it can speak truth to power. Sadly, it has all too often failed in this important role. Insofar as it has so failed and insofar as it has trivialized itself then it has indeed de-legitimized itself. But IMHO such professional dereliction of duty is very different in kind from the project Trump and his associates are engaged in.

        • JLM

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          What we used to consider the media is no longer even recognizable. Once upon a time, the NY Times was the “newspaper of record” and one could count on any number of credible newspapers.

          Now, these rags are competing with their own Internet presence and are unable to afford the reportage that came out of the big cities or the gov’t press offices. They are using stringers to feed reporters.

          Their Internet sites are just as bad as any of the others.

          Aggregators — Drudge, Huff Post — have absolutely no filter , authenticity, or underwriting. They print as fast as someone can type and their daily numbers are staggering.

          The web is a cesspool.

          There is no chance of a rebound and it is getting worse each passing day.

          Donald Trump realized that he had to go directly to the people and he saddled Twitter up and rode it to victory, proving Jeb Bush wrong — you CAN insult your way to the presidency.

          Trump is going to keep talking directly to the people while making the media the enemy. The fact that he demolished two family dynasties, the GOPe, the DEMe, HRC, sixteen other candidates, the MSM, the punditry, the pollsters — makes him a credible winner and he was touting winning.

          He just might be as good as he thinks he is and, thus far, being his opponent hasn’t worked out well.

          Of course, he will never get the nomination. He will never win the election. He will never drain the swamp.

          Trump, at 70, chops more wood than any two 60 year olds and then tucks Melania into his bed.

          The guy is a doer and it is going to be interesting. If he doesn’t flame out by 2018, the Republicans run the table in the mid-terms and the Dems become a trivia question answer.

          Good luck to all of us.

          JLM
          http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

          • It’s deeply dangerous.
            Call me if you get to LA 🙂

  • DaveJ

    Starting to get harder not to pay attention to the macro.

    • It’s not going to impact my investing pace / activity …

      • agree….easy enough to fund offshore, its just a shame the Australian NBN got shot down otherwise I think we could have seen a mini explosion of Australian creativity.

    • DaveJ

      Probably affects your companies more. International expansion just got more complicated. Hiring people just got more complicated.

  • JLM

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    Sometimes, it is useful to actually read the underlying information before firing off. There is a reason why the usual direction is Ready, Aim, Fire.

    Here is a copy of the actual Exec Order. Read it. It does NOT say what many alarmists and the media think it says.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/

    It is difficult to read this relatively dry order as anything other than in the wheelhouse of the American President, well within his authority to enact, and consistent with what Pres Trump said during the campaign.

    It is an order for a temporary 90-day ban for six countries and a temporary 120-day ban for refugees and a permanent ban for Syria. In this breathing room, the administration is going to promulgate new immigration rules pertinent to “extreme vetting.”

    Former Pres Obama used the same authority to “ban” Iraqi visas for a six month period in response to the discovery of two former Al Qaeda operatives in Bowling Green, Kentucky. It was not controversial then. Read that word “ban” to mean the gov’t didn’t approve any visa applications.

    As to the issue of visas, there is a huge void of knowledge. Visas, generally, fall into two kinds — tourist and other visas and work related visas (green cards).

    Tourist, et al, visas are granted by American Embassies and Consulates in the home country of the applicant only upon application.

    The current approval rate for applications from the seven targeted countries subject to the Exec Order are approximately 40%. Of course, this data pertains to the Obama administration as Pres Trump has been in office for a single week.

    The Obama administrated selected the seven countries in conjunction with the US Congress designating them as the seven countries most likely to harbor terrorists, host terrorist training facilities, have unreliable sources of data for underwriting applications (Libya, Syria, Yemen, Iran, in particular), and therefore being the locus of concern as to exporting terrorists under a false flag. Pres Trump had nothing to do with picking these seven countries.

    As you can understand, applications from countries like Libya, Syria, Yemen — which are actively at war and may not have any American presence — are quite difficult to obtain simply because the US has no consular staff presence. Iran is also a problem for similar reasons.

    The typical tourist visa is granted for 90 continuous days of presence in the United States. One should expect the rejection rate of visa applications — approximately 60% — to continue at that rate or climb. Again, during the Obama administration approximately 60% of all visa applications from these countries were rejected.

    The “ban” which has created the frenzy is pertinent to the tourist visas (and a few other kinds) that were approved recently.

    As to green cards, a green card holder has to be in the United States (you can’t get one until you get here and are admitted) and has to have left without filing a Form I-327 Re-entry Permit.

    Normally, a green card holder applies for a Re-entry Permit using Form I-131 (Application for a Travel Document) while they are in the US, well before they need it. One cannot apply for one before they have a green card or when they are not inside the US.

    The Re-entry Permit is good for two years and precludes the necessity to obtain any additional travel document.

    It is not automatic that a green card holder is going to get one — as an example if your green card expires in ONE year, they are not going to grant you a TWO year Re-entry Permit.

    A green card is usually granted for one, two, or ten years. A ten year grant allows a green card holder to meet the five year residency requirement to be able to apply for citizenship, to become a naturalized citizen subject to that application and passing a test.

    Again, a ten year green card is the pathway to citizenship.

    None of the hysteria attributed to this executive order is really justified. Those who are gasping were gasping well before the election and have found themselves looking for something else to gasp at since the election and their discomfiture and unhappiness at the outcome.

    Be careful about taking too much comfort — Hell, any comfort — at the grant of temporary restraining orders (TROs) which have only precluded putting individual travelers on planes back to their countries of origin. They have to obtain a permanent injunction which is not likely to happen.

    The Exec Order provides for the Secs of State and Homeland Security to grant waivers in their complete discretion, so look for those grants to deal with SIVs (special immigrant visas granted pertinent to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act which pertains to those who have been helpful to the US– translators, spies, contractors). Again, this was always in the works and the umbrage drummed up by the likes of CNN is just faux news.

    This is much ado about next to nothing. There will likely be a whole new extreme vetting arrangement for refugees and local Embassies and Consulates will be beefed up to undertake this work. Look for the rate of denial of visas to climb — within the exclusive purview of the Executive Branch of the government, mind you.

    Read the damn stuff and know what you’re talking about and stop falling prey to the media.

    JLM
    http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

    • Steve Sherlock

      Based on that exec order it would appear that Trump would not pass the test!

      i.e. Bigotry, assaulting women, persecution of other religions etc

      • JLM

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        Horrible guy, truly, luckily he wasn’t running for Pope, no?

        All the talking points, can we get a quick “racist” reference for home base?

        You might actually read the Exec Order if you can wade through it. Bit dry.

        Donald J Trump is the President of the United States of America and that isn’t going to change for some time. Get used to it. Adapt to it. Thicken your skin and deal with it.

        It will all be fine.

        JLM
        http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

        • Steve Sherlock

          haha yeah no worries Jeffrey – let’s check back in 4 years and see where things ended up (but I suspect it will be earlier)

          • JLM

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            Fair play to you, SS.

            Pres Trump has no more than 18 months and then it will be time for the mid-term elections. At the rate he is going, he will have all of his program enacted by then and the report cards will start coming in.

            If he is doing well and if the economy is doing well, the Republicans will pick up more than half of the 23 Dem Senate seats up for grabs (all of them held by Senators who voted for Obamacare).

            There will be a couple of marginal Republicans who will be unseated for other Republicans — Flake from Arizona, as an example.

            If that happens, the Dems will be on a par with the Green Party and it will be game, set, match Trump.

            I predict that is exactly what happens. I predict the economy roars, taxes are cut triggering great prosperity, and that the world is, generally, at peace because America is strong again.

            In the military, even after the end of the cavalry, we used to call it “leaning forward in your saddle.” That is what DJT will be doing and it will work.

            Wish we could make a little wager on it, no?

            JLM
            http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

          • Pay no attention to the projected $10T of Federal debt, right? Isn’t that what the tea Party was all crazy about?

            Global trade wars typically aren’t great for either combatant…

          • JLM

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            Fair play to you, @robkornblum:disqus , somebody better be looking at the numbers. The previous guy, forgot his name already, ran up quite a large deficit while accomplishing absolutely nothing. Seem to recall he ran the credit card up more than all of his predecessors, can that be right?

            Regardless of what Pres Trump plans — cutting the size of gov’t, better buying practices, growing the lethality and size of the military — somebody has to be watching the checking account.

            This time around, we need to be watching the revenue (at all time highs just now), the costs, the deficit, the national debt. We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

            Nobody gets a free pass on the numbers and you are a gent for bringing that subject up. The numbers have to work.

            Trump is neither a Republican nor a conservative. He is a straight talking, promise keeping pragmatist and part of the success must be making the numbers work.

            Stay on him. I will do the same.

            JLM
            http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

          • The previous guy deficit spent to get the country out of the worst recession of our lifetime. Personally, I think that was better than the alternative, a cascading array of bank, insurance company, and automotive bankruptcies. I’m sure there are those, perhaps you, who disagree with that approach.

            Take a look at the deficit trends over the last 8 years.

            Do you know what I hear now from the Tea Party, who almost shut the government down over the debt ceiling more than once? Crickets. Hypocritical crickets.

            The hard part isn’t lowering taxes to produce jobs. The hard part is producing enough extra income from those to more than make up for the lost income, so that you don’t drive up the debt to insane levels. AND do that so have a sustainable middle class.

          • JLM

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            @robkornblum:disqus

            Please go to school on the impact of tax cuts on Federal receipts — look at JFK as an example.

            I will cut the suspense for you — when the Feds cut taxes, Federal tax receipts (revenue) go up. Big league.

            It seem counter-intuitive but it is correct. JFK knew this and did it.

            The previous guy may have thought he was spinning gold from cotton, but the results speak for themselves — he broke the freakin’ bank running up more debt than all the rest of his predecessors. That is not chicken feed and he did it over 8 years, most of which were on the other side of the recession.

            Much of that was the phoney “sequester” deal which said — give me my additional tax revenue now and I’ll trim the budget in the future — huge lie by both parties.

            This is going to be interesting and it might just work. Stay tuned.

            JLM
            http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

          • When JFK was president, the top marginal rate was 91%. Surely someone as smart as you doesn’t believe that ALL tax cuts increase revenue?

          • I might ask you to ‘go to school’ (I’m not sure you meant to be as condescending as you actually were) looking at the last 16 years of job growth and unemployment. The graphs are telling…

          • JLM

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            @robkornblum:disqus

            Yes, I can be a little condescending, but, then I am used to debating with grown ups who possess the full range of emotion and a bit of moxie. If you are a thin skinned liberal, I will try to be a little more sensitive. Your call, snowflake.

            The economy and the nation’s finances have been in the ICU for a long time. Do not try to get me to defend that fellow “W” — he was a damn good Texas Governor, but a mediocre President whose fingerprints are on the murder weapon. He was no fiscal conservative.

            I like to look at the reality of the Labor Force Participation Rate, BLS U6/7, single family home ownership, welfare rolls, and median family income rather than cooked book fantasies like U-3.

            The election seems to stand for the proposition that the middle class, the tool turning class thinks the economy is pretty damn weak, no?

            Pres Trump is no Republican, no conservative but he understands the numbers and he is going to keep his promises even if the country rises in rebellion — not likely but I do sort of fancy a revolution myself. Why not?

            JLM
            http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

          • Ah yes, that is a great way to “win” a discussion on the Internet, by calling the other guy a name. So much for JLM being a reasoned voice on aVC.

            FWIW, I am a hard core moderate who has voted R a large number of times.

            I get it, you are a fan of the Prez and hated the last guy. I am not and I don’t need to look at “the numbers” for my opinion (although he appears not to give a shit about the debt). He’s a thin-skinned narcissist, a serial philanderer, he encouraged violence at his rallies, he dodged the draft, he has a long history of screwing small business owners and he has embraced the alt-right.

            This EO isn’t about making us safer, it is about the appearance of making us safer.

          • JLM

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            Actually, I am no “fan” of Pres Trump — I think his policies are better than many of the alternatives and he will actually get something done. With me, any politician is only as attractive as his policies. It is all about policy.

            I think DC needs to be taken by the neck and shaken hard. It is not serving the American people. I don’t expect the Republicans to be much less of a problem than the Dems.

            Pres Trump is neither a Republican nor a conservative. He is a hard working, promise keeping, pragmatist who will get done what can be done and come back for seconds.

            I voted for a President, not a Pope, so whatever he is in addition to his policies is not of any interest to me. As a guy who served, I would not be attracted to a draft dodger but that was a long time ago. Left to my own devices, I’d ask him to his face if he were a coward? Stil, President, not Pope and binary.

            The alt-right, like the Tea Party and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, is all an illusion. I’ve been trying to find them for a long time. The Rust Belt is not where any of those three live and they turned the trick for Pres Trump.

            Just to be as direct as possible, the “appearance” of safety is also a thing. We shall see what else comes from “extreme vetting” and then we will know. I do think the immigration and refugee systems (two different things) are both in need of overhaul.

            JLM
            http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

          • If you know his policies, then you know a lot more than us because he didn’t run on policy. 140 characters railing against Mexico isn’t policy. He probably revealed less about policy than any candidate I can recall in my life.

            I think he showed his respect for the military when he attacked McCain’s service and a Gold Star family.

            I’m not looking for a Pope. But I do look for someone who is more moral than not. Trump is the embodiment of almost everything I am teaching my boys not to be.

          • JLM

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            @robkornblum:disqus

            To suggest you don’t know what Candidate Trump’s policies were is to indict your powers of observation and reading comp.

            To suggest that you don’t see him converting those campaign promises into reality suggests you don’t want to know them.

            Donald J Trump, given the choices available, was the right choice — warts and all.

            Teach your boys whatever you want but do teach them to think critically.

            JLM
            http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

          • Flatley

            At the rate he is going, he will have all of his program enacted by then

            At the rate he is going, every single one of his programs will have been blocked by the courts by then. Fortunately the separation of powers is still alive and well in our great country, even if a general sense of civic intelligence/self-awareness is not.

          • JLM

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            That would be the single TRO stay appeal upon which the 9th Circuit with its 79% reversal rate has ruled?

            The TRO was not stayed meaning the case must be argued on its merits in the original circuit court for a permanent injunction within 14 days of the TRO being enacted.

            The options available to the gov’t are to:

            1. Argue the TRO in the circuit court on its merits.
            2. To appeal the 9th circuit court’s decision to the Sup Ct (alternatively to ask for a ruling en banc by the entire 9th circuit).
            3. To re-write the offending EO to conform to the ruling of the 9th circuit << the most likely action in my view
            4. To forego any further action and to direct the Embassies and consulates to deny all applications from targeted jurisdictions. [The current denial rate is about 60% for the entire Middle East.] <<< this is already underway

            So, I don't see much of Pres Trump's EO being frustrated in the near term.

            Further, I doubt he will get his Cabinet through. Oh, wait, that isn't true.

            But, he won't get the nomination anyway, no?

            Pretty safe bet that Pres Trump will continue to re-shape things to conform to his vision and won't suffer too much in the process.

            Other than a little sand in the gears on this one TRO stay, it's hard not to see him prevailing across the board.

            Can you imagine if he did this stuff full time?

            JLM
            http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

    • That wall of text is full of lies and misrepresentations, just as we always get from right wingers.

      • JLM

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        No doubt. There is nobody who has a monopoly on telling lies (and by inference misrepresentations) as a bunch of “right wingers.” Bad lot, they are.

        Brilliant comment on your part. Intellectually sound, well reasoned, insightful, a real wrestling match of ideas.

        Bravo.

        JLM
        http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

        • Being smug doesn’t change the fact.

          • JLM

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            No, of course not, @facebook-1026609730:disqus.

            “All” right wingers are liars and misrepresentoires. Absolutely correct.

            Let’s not let facts get in the way; let’s just go right to the mattresses and impugn the individuals who speak things with which you don’t agree.

            High road it, Jim.

            JLM
            http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

    • And Fortune 500 companies WANT more immigrants (increase worker supply to decrease costs and increase profits). http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/03/01/disney-workers-forced-to-train-their-foreign-replacements.html

      • JLM

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        In general, it is difficult to argue that any business doesn’t want a source of cheaper labor. American business will do whatever is necessary to achieve that result and there are a good many where I live, in Texas, who will do it by hiring illegal aliens and paying them in cash and paying them less than a fair wage.

        A recent Trump rule to mandate the use of eVerify will be a real treat for these folks.

        It is going to get very real when Pres Trump starts to work on the entire work related visa suite — H1-B being the one that will have the tech community up in arms. The big boys who use these regularly are going to be revealed and go nuts.

        If one isn’t familiar with the issues, I suggest a bit of Google fingertip magic to research Southern California Con Ed and their practices.

        https://www.numbersusa.com/news/members-congress-and-union-rally-support-workers-laid-h-1b-hires

        It will get very real then.

        JLM
        http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

    • quax

      It is a matter of “how” much more than “what”. This was an overnight order. Entrapping people already on route, including Green Card holders. This was nothing anybody could plan for. It was clear thousands of innocent people would be stranded in legal limbo at the tender mercy of the CBP.

      The way it was done was pure 100% dickishness.

      It’s really quite the spectacle. Rarely in history could you witness the most powerful country on earth swing a tinier dick more ferociously.

      • JLM

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        Other than your odd fascination with dicks, there is not much to argue about with your assessment.

        It is clear that the Trump administration intended to close the border with a degree of urgency that would result in some folks getting caught enroute.

        One could observe that is why the EO provided for granting exceptions by the Secs of State and Homeland Security — of which almost a thousand have been granted.

        When 325,00 folks enter the US and only 110 are in limbo, that is a small price to pay (my words).

        I think it is fair to say that a lot of folks, whose ox gets gored by Trump’s horns, are going to opine it was all “100%” something or other.

        You do realize this guy is going to kick the snot out of the establishment, right? There will be broken eggs, but there will also be omelets.

        JLM
        http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

        • quax

          When 325,00 folks enter the US and only 110 are in limbo, that is a small price to pay (my words).

          See, there’s the reason I used that word. I bet you are a proud owner of truck nutz, too.

  • Beckmania

    I’ve been wondering if there is anything the wealthiest tech leaders could do – in the Bay Area alone, there must be north of $100B in the hands of the top 5-10 tech folks who adamantly oppose Trump and the various things he is doing. What could they do to seriously revolt?

    • JLM

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      Support Hillary Rodham Clinton? — oh, sorry.

      Wait until Pres Trump tees it up on the H1-B visa.

      Just kidding, Beckmania.

      JLM
      http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

    • quax

      Something along the lines of a “no taxation without representation” movement? I think that has a nice ring to it.

  • avi

    Your blurred vision shows in calling yourself productive and rest not so: “By directly targeting productive American residents, children, and the elderly in the name of national security”, the tendency to pitch has overshot beyond investors to almost everyone.

    I also disagree that it will cost America, both morally and economically. Talking about morally: it is right that illegal immigrants be accepted in America, and otherwise, as an Iraq foreign affairs leader says, Iraq will ban “any” Americans to enter their wretched country with disgusting people who have chosen to be haters and “market” themselves to survive on this planet.

    It will have short economic chaos, but there are many Americans who can replace these so called productive people. You need to hire and train them!

    • Someone blind accusing others of blurred vision is rich. And why should anyone pay attention to a blatant liar: ” calling yourself productive and rest not so” — he did no such thing.

      • avi

        He did so.

        • ^ lying garbage

          • avi

            The word “lying” is also inappropriate. You could say: you are misinterpreting, etc. And to further explain the interpretation and logic I shall charge money.

  • quax

    “Whatever intentions the White House had.”

    Every step along the way Trump managed to surprise to the downside. I think it is time to adjust the worst case scenario.

    This article makes a solid case.

    • JLM

      .
      That article, the intellectual equivalent of digital cat litter with a free foil antenna cap.

      JLM
      http://www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

      • quax

        I can see you understand the start-up scene, your digital cat litter will go places! Go for it.

  • taptaptap

    I spoke to Kauffman on Friday and they are not in a position respond at the pace some of these issue require movement on despite their well-meaning attempts. Please consider this a formal request to have me do something more intentional and pave the way for the warrior required to take this shit on. We need an anti hero!

  • Mark Michuda

    I’ll take security over convenience every time! This executive order could have been thought out way better(obviously). We would be safer if the the top 1% high risk countries were banned according to the CIA. Refugees have zero documentation. You can’t vet that.

  • Mark Michuda

    I’m matching donations to the ACLU up to $500,000,000. Just paypal me or wire the money directly into my bank account. PM me and I’ll send the info and handle the rest. 😉